Greece blocks FYROM but fair

Everything now depends on Skopje, if they want to prove what suspected for so long that they want to base a republic on lies they will continue their hard line, if they want to live in a modern world and become legitimate members of Europe then they have to negotiate and perhaps apologize for all said and done the last few years and especially the last weeks.

 

PM Costas Karamanlis and FM Dora Bakoyannis look pensive during the NATO summit in Bucharest, where Greece blocked FYROM’s attempt to join the alliance until the two neighbors settle their name dispute.

Greece invited the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) last night to return to the negotiating table and settle the longstanding name dispute between the two countries, less than 24 hours after Athens used its veto at a NATO summit in Romania to block Skopje’s attempt to join the alliance.

In a rare public address last night, Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis tried to assure Greece’s neighbors that it still wants to resolve the name issue but also made it clear that Athens would not be a pushover, as it demonstrated by vetoing FYROM’s accession late on Wednesday night.

«United, with belief in our strength, we battled hard but successfully,» Karamanlis said in a televised address from Bucharest shortly after 8 p.m.

«With resolve and determination, we are moving along the right lines so that we can achieve the final national goal: a solution to the problem.»

 

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12 responses to “Greece blocks FYROM but fair

  1. Sto Nik

    Apologize? Yes someone needs to apologize, but it is not the Republic of Macedonia! Greece did the republic a great favor in Bucharest, displaying its hate towards the Macedonia for the entire world to see. Apologize? And who will apologize for the thousands of tortures, forced exiles, and murders committed by the Greek government over the past 100 years. Who will apologize for trying to wipe out an entire nation from the heart of Europe? I will tell you who, The Hellenic Republic of Greece will apologize! In the mean time you just keep doing what you are doing, you are doing us the best PR campaign that anybody could, and where there it talk the truth comes out sooner or later.

  2. Bojan

    Greece’s Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis announced today that Greece would veto the US’s continued membership of NATO unless the US changed its name to ‘United States of Central North America’. ‘Greece is nothing if not consistent’, Ms Bakoyannis said at a press conference today, ‘Just as we object to FYROM [the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia] being the sole claimant to the name of the entire area of Macedonia, so we object to FBCOA [the Former British Colony of America] claiming sole use of the name of “America”.’ She pointed out that the territory of the FBCOA covers less than half of the continent of North America, which in turn is only one of two American continents: ‘We are concerned that the FBCOA’s use of the name “America” implies territorial claims on neighbouring states.’

    My Bakoyannis added: ‘The leaders of this new country of 300 million insist on calling their homeland “America” even though that is a name that has been part of Native American history and culture for thousands of years.’ She then asked rhetorically, ‘Was Pocahontas an Anglo-Saxon ?’

    UN mediators have been struggling to find a solution to the ‘name dispute’ acceptable to both sides, one that would allow the US to remain in NATO. UN envoy Matthew Nimetz has tabled several proposals, including ‘Democratic United States of America’, ‘New United States of America’ and ‘United States of America (Washington D.C.)’, but these have all been rejected by Athens.

    President George W. Bush has accepted that at this week’s NATO summit in Bucharest, the US may have its membership of the alliance terminated at Greece’s demand. ‘We shall continue to seek a negotiated solution to this question’, President Bush said today.

    Ms Bakoyannis has indicated that Athens is considering asking the United Kingdom to change its name as well, pointing out that ‘Britain’ is the name of a neighbouring French administrative region. There has been speculation that Greece may insist that the UK be renamed ‘United Kingdom of Northern Britain and Northern Ireland’ if it wishes to remain in NATO, although Athens has yet to issue a formal demand.

    Doesn’t quite seem right, does it?

    Then, why should it be O.K. for Macedonia?

  3. We don’t answer in hate comments and most of all in stupidity comment but for the two who commented I like to inform them that Greece vetoed but France, Spain and Italy to start with supported this veto in every sense. You see the leaders of these countries are aware of history. The tragic thing about you people is that you don’t only lie to the others but you lie to your selves as well and I have to admit that you deserve pity.

    A good argument with at least logical base will always be welcome. Hate comments will be erased in the future.

    P.S. And btw, of course Skopje must apologize even for your hate behavior

  4. Bojan

    “The position of Italy was for all three countries of the Adriatic Charter to enter NATO. This has been Italy’s position from the very begining and had been repeated numerous times by Prime Minister Romano Prodi”. says in the press release issued by the Italian Embassy, after Greek papers claimed Italy supported Greece.

    Who’s lying now?

  5. I would suggest you to read some more news agencies than the Skopje full of lies trash. The only ally Skopje had was George W. Bush – not the American people and this is something you will find out in the next few months – and Turkey. With allies like that you don’t need enemies!!! :)))

  6. Bojan

    Ignorance is bliss… isn’t it ovithanos?

    How small your world must be…

  7. But aside of any bitter feelings you have – and you are not responsible for them – most likely you born thinking yourself as Macedonian because Tito forgot to tell you what he was really planning by giving you this name in 1944 (read history, everything is written).

    The best thing for you and your country is to calm down and try to find a solution because your country is in real danger from your western neighbors, especially now with Kosovo and whatever that means becoming a reality. If you read carefully, calm and without prejudice the suggestions of the Greek government you will find that there is a way to get out of the tunnel and it will be pity if Albania enters EU and you are just clothing your bitterness.

    And one last thing, according two surveys in USA (one from ABC) 85% of the Americans believe that George W. Bush did a mistake by supporting a lost case.

    P.S. the comment about my world was unnecessary simply because I live in the world you dream to be!

  8. Christos

    ΑΝΑΡΤΗΘΗΚΕ ΣΤΟ NEW YORK TIMES
    4th,April 2008
    12:44 pm (usa time)
    I feel sorry for the greeks because they will never be Macedonians as I am .
    It is their problem they don’t know how to feel either greeks or Macedonians because they want to be both, but everybody knows that they can not be MACEDONIANS
    — Posted by krater
    ΜΕΤΑΦΡΑΣΗ
    ¨” Λυπαμε για τους “ελληνες” διοτι ποτε δεν θα ειναι Μακεδονες οπως εγω. Το προβλημα τους ειναι οτι δεν ξερουν
    πως να αισθανθουν ειτε “ελληνες” η Μακεδονες, διοτι θελουν και τα δυο, αλλα ο καθενας γνωριζει οτι δεν μπορει να ειναι
    ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΕΣ.
    — αναρτηθηε απο τον krater ( [προσεξτε το “greeks” γραμμενο 2 φορες με μικρο “g”)

    ΤΟ ΔΟΘΗΚΕ Η ΠΑΡΑΚΑΤΩ ΑΠΑΝΤΗΣΗ
    April 4th,2008
    2:12 pm (usa time)
    Mr krater : How a Slav can be Macedonian ????
    Greeks are not only feeling as Macedonias but aslo are and feeling as:
    Spartans, Athineans, Corintians, Ageans, Thessalians, Macedonians, Thrakes,Messinians,Kretans, Rodians, etc.
    All these consisting the Hellenic Nationality for which I am pround.
    Why you are not pround to be a Slav or Albania,, whatever you really are.
    Thats all for the moment.
    Christos
    — Posted by Christos I. Nikolopoulos

    ΜΕΤΑΦΡΑΣΗ
    κ. κρατερ¨πως ενας Σλαυος μπορει να ειναι Μακεδονας ?
    Οι Ελληνες δεν αισθανονται μονο ως Μακεδονες αλλα ειναι και αισθανονται ως
    Σπαρτιατες,Αθηναιο, Κορινθιοι,Αιγαιωτες,Θεσσαλοι,Μακεδονες,Θρακες,Μεσσηνιοι,Κρητες,Ροδιοι κλπ.
    Ολα αυτα αποτελλουν την Ελληνικη Εθνηκοτητα δια την οποια ειμαι υπερηφανος.
    Γιατι δεν εισαι και συ υπερηφανος που εισαι Σλαυος η Αλβανος, οτιδηποτε πραγματικα εισαι.
    Αυρτα επι του παροντος
    Χρηστος
    — Αναρτηθηκε απο τον Χρηστο Ι. Νικολοπουλο.

  9. Christos

    DEAR GREEK BLOGERS ,
    WELL DONE !!!!
    AS NOW THE NEWSPAPER of “THE NEW YORK TIMES ” HAS CLOSED, SO FAR, THE
    SITE OF THE BLOGS FOR FYROM, I UNDERSTAND THIS MAY HAVE BEEN CAUSED
    DUE TO THE PLENTY ATTACTS OF GREEKS, AGAINST THE NEWSPAPER FOR ITS
    NIVE ARTICLE OF THE ” SHAME ON YOU GREECE”, PROBABLY…THE CHEESBURGER
    HAD A BITTER SAUSE ON THESE PAID BY SOROS ARTICLE.
    CHRISTOS NIKOLOPOULOS

  10. Christos

    Ελληνικα
    Η ΕΛΛΑΣ ΕΠΡΕΠΕ ΝΑ ΑΠΟΡΙΨΕΙ ΤΗΝ ΕΙΣΟΔΟ ΤΗΣ ΠΓΔΜ ΑΝ ΕΠΙΛΕΓΟΥΝ ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΤΗΣ
    ΧΩΡΑΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΩΣ ΣΠΑΡΤΗ ΚΡΗΤΗ Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ Η ΟΤΙΔΗΠΟΤΕ ΑΛΛΟ ΘΑΥΜΑΖΟΥΝ ΚΑΙ
    ΟΝΕΙΡΕΥΟΝΤΑ
    Αγγλικα
    GREECE HAD TO REJECT FYROM’S ENTRY IF THEY CHOOSE TO NAME THEIR COUNTRY AS SPARTA KRETE OR MACEDONIA OR WHATEVER OTHER THEY ADMIRE AND DREAM.
    Πορτογαλικα
    GREECE TEVE QUE REJEITAR A ENTRADA DE FYROM SE ESCOLHESSEM NOMEAR SEU PAÍS COMO SPARTA KRETE OU MACEDONIA OU O QUE QUER QUE OUTROS ELE ADMIRASSEM E SONHASSEM.
    Γαλλικα
    LA GRÈCE A DÛ REJETER L’ENTRÉE DE FYROM S’ILS CHOISISSENT D’APPELER LEUR PAYS COMME SPARTA KRETE OU MACÉDOINE OU CELUI QU’AUTRE ELLES ADMIRENT ET RÊVENT.
    Γερμανικα
    GRIECHENLAND MUSSTE EINTRAGUNG FYROMS ZURÜCKWEISEN, WENN SIE BESCHLIESSEN, IHR LAND ALS SPARTA KRETE ODER MAZEDONIEN ZU NENNEN, ODER WAS AUCH IMMER ANDERES SIE BEWUNDERN UND TRÄUMEN.
    Ισπανικα
    GRECIA TUVO QUE RECHAZAR LA ENTRADA DE FYROM SI ELIGEN NOMBRAR SU PAÍS COMO SPARTA KRETE O MACEDONIA O LO QUE OTRO ÉL ADMIRA Y SUEÑA.
    Ιταλικα
    LA GRECIA HA DOVUTO RIFIUTARE L’ENTRATA DEL FYROM SE SCELGONO CHIAMARE IL LORO PAESE COME SPARTA KRETE O MACEDONIA O QUALUNQUE ALTRO AMMIRA E SOGNA.
    Χρηστος Νικολοπουλος

  11. yom

    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Greece is optimistic about the name issue with Skopje.

    Sources from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Greece, have claimed to be optimistic about the future outcome of the name issue with Skopje.

    The Greek side, they claimed, is flanked by experienced diplomats, well known for their accomplishments in modern diplomatic history.

    The Greek interlocutor in the past had been entrusted with the task of solving the issue of the pending parking tickets issued by the Mayor of New York to Greek Diplomats, for illegal parking, which amounted to $550.000.

    The Greek Side, claimed that “the diplomats wouldn’t be obliged to pay, because no measures could be taken against them, due to Vienna Convention for Diplomatic Relations”.

    The Mayor of New York sent the bill to the State Department. The Greek side continued to be confident. The State Department transmitted the bill to Ministry of Defense. The Greek side started questioning “There is something fishy about it..”.

    Then they heard the news “All scholarships to Greek military personnel for training in the U.S. is suspended until the $550.000 parking ticked is paid to the Mayor of New York”.

    The Greek side became anxious about the turnout of the issue. The charged the experienced interlocutor to start negotiations about the amount to be paid. “How about paying you $400.000 and we stop talking?”, “how about paying you $400.000 now and the remaining $150.000 is paid in 99 years?”, “how about paying now the whole amount minus 10%?”, “how about paying you in Panama Canal bonds?”, “how about not paying, but you to be free to park where you like in the center of Athens without getting parking tickets?”.

    After receiving “No”s about a hundred times (2005-2006), the Greek side paid $550.000. The illegally parked cars’ owners were never called to reimburse the Greek tax payers money of $550.000 corresponding to their respective illegal parking practices.

    The other strong weapon of the Greek diplomacy is the Supreme Service Council (“Anotato Ypiresiako Symboulio). It is comprised of high ranking diplomats (even retired ones, some of them very old, invalid or close to dying). The new clauses of the reformed status Law of the Foreign Ministry stipulate “that the low rank officials whose case is brought before the Supreme Service Council, have no right whatsoever to be represented before such a council even is the said council is ready to kick them out of the service for grounds of incompetence. In such cases, even the Foreign Minister cannot modify the Council’s decision”.

    Retired ex diplomats, aged between 70 and 87, (experienced in persecuting young diplomats) that constitute “the Greek Foreign Minister’s elite advisory group”, have claimed that Greece shall come victorious in the name dispute with Skopje, if the latter ever decides that the issue shall be discussed and determined exclusively within the “Supreme Service Council” of the Foreign Ministry of Greece.

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